tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post6893576711163778250..comments2023-06-10T01:17:22.864-07:00Comments on Logan Utah Real Estate Market Conditions: The Springs Subsidized Housing, is it really good for the community?Alan Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01977020294835966781noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-64794485938266635792012-04-18T09:03:01.596-07:002012-04-18T09:03:01.596-07:00This program is ridiculous. Talk about OVERBOARD. ...This program is ridiculous. Talk about OVERBOARD. Not to mention the people who work there are CROOKED. They let people in all the time as personal favors! This is a government program and has good intentions but just promotes dependency. All the comments that are getting all huffy puffy about this know what I'm saying is true and just need to justify themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-46758246292508547172011-12-08T13:24:04.689-08:002011-12-08T13:24:04.689-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alan Barkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977020294835966781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-42097600682246753502011-12-08T13:23:48.801-08:002011-12-08T13:23:48.801-08:00Authors Review of the Article 4 and a Half Years L...<b>Authors Review of the Article 4 and a Half Years Later</b><br /><br />OK. I'll make a new review in reply to the most recent "Anonymous" comment.<br /><br />No, I don't think that the Springs has hurt the community. In fact I think they make a very good addition to the community. They are nice homes at very affordable price, and have some awesome families that live in them.<br /><br />If I were in position where I had to choose between living in the "Springs" or a ghetto Logan apartment, I would choose the Springs. I have told several friends about them, and encouraged them to try and live there.<br /><br />Are there people currently living in the springs that could afford to live elsewhere? Absolutely. Is this good for the "free market" housing market. No. <br /><br />This article was written 4 and a half years ago. At that time the initial phase, the one with only single family homes, was still under construction. There was no "Springs at Logan River." <br /><br />The Springs at Logan River, built as duplexes, on smaller lots, and in a less desirable area, are much more economical than the single family homes that occupied the initial phase. Both units accomplish the exact same purpose.<br /><br />My argument, was that if Government Subsidized housing was going to be built, they should do it in the most economically efficient model possible. <br /><br />Why build a house for $130,000, when you can build the same size unit in an apartment complex for $60,000? <br /><br />I still don't know exactly how this project is funded. I'm not sure if it is section 42 housing, because section 42 doesn't allow full time students. Many of the people living in the springs are full time students. <br /><br />If it is section 42 Housing, it is still Subsidized by the Federal Government.<br /><br />What you don't understand is that "tax credits" ARE money from the Government. Sure a private developer may put up the upfront costs, but when the time comes for them to pay their taxes, they will essentially get a check from Uncle Sam. The Government ie...Tax Payer Dollars pay for it.<br /><br />If it really is "not in any way/ shape/ or form" from tax payer dollars then I don't care at all what their units are like. If a private individual or company wants to help out the community, that is awesome. More power to them. <br /><br />Knowing that there are all kinds of "ridiculous strict regulations" leads me to believe that the regulations are required by the government so the Private Developer to receive their tax credits. <br /><br />So yes. The American Tax Payers do indeed pay the cost for a less efficient housing model. If the Government really had money to spend on housing to make the lives of college students better, then I wouldn't have a problem with "The Springs."<br /><br />But the fact is that the federal government currently has 15 trillion dollars in debt. That translates to a per citizen debt of $48,123. <br /><br />When we don't see the direct costs of money, we're a lot less likely to be careful with it.Alan Barkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977020294835966781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-68364409295814906122011-11-15T14:13:10.941-08:002011-11-15T14:13:10.941-08:00So it's been 3 years since the Springs opened ...So it's been 3 years since the Springs opened it's (privately subsidized NOT in any way/shape and/or form YOUR tax paying dollars at work) doors - do you think it's hurting the community? Changing your property value? <br /><br /> I'd LOVE to see the author of this blog post write a new review. Go for it - but first, please give HUD a call and educate yourself on Section 42 housing, then talk to the Property Manager regarding the ridiculously strict regulations and rules you are required to follow to follow in order to have tenancy there. Oh, and also read your comments because they are good. <br /><br />This place is a tender mercy to so many families who are now able to set out in careers without a burden of debt holding them back in a rough economy. I wish this had been around when I was in college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-55721318577472665852011-08-27T20:40:25.225-07:002011-08-27T20:40:25.225-07:00The Manager is a real Cupcake. I decided not to a...The Manager is a real Cupcake. I decided not to apply after dealing with her twice. Obviously the Manager's job title has gone to her head. The process to get a unit is pathetically difficult. Don't expect any help from the so-called "Manager." YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-65675251480995676312011-08-24T15:37:35.706-07:002011-08-24T15:37:35.706-07:00I live in the Springs and have been since they bec...I live in the Springs and have been since they became available. I am a single mom with two children, a full time job and am attending school full time. I graduate in June. I resent that you imply that the people who live in the Springs are worthless moochers taking advantage of "luxurios" apartments. I work hard 24/7 and I am greatful that I am able to live in apartments that are safe for me and my children. So before you post something that makes you look ignorant and oblivious to the truth, I would check my facts!!!Brittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07114079500408248388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-43744486942172635222011-06-13T01:02:36.756-07:002011-06-13T01:02:36.756-07:00I live in the Springs in Logan and you are way off...I live in the Springs in Logan and you are way off. There are less than 200 between the two developments and less than half of those are single family houses, the rest are twin homes. They are not subsidized. As it has been mentioned investors built the property for low income based on government standards to receive a tax credit. I know that for the twin homes the were originally 60 units and the investors received over $900,000 in tax credits. The yards and properties are strictly monitored and maintained by the property management keep them nice and protect their investment as well as to avoid being unsightly to the rest of the community. Residence income is evaluated annually for qualification. Everyone who moves in is evaluated not only on income but also on background and merit. There are a few elderly couples, disabled families, widows, and others on a fix income living here but for the most part the people are made up of young growing families attempting to finish school. Almost everyone moves out the moment they graduate. My husband and I lived on campus at USU for four years while we did our undergraduate work. Now I am in the military and my husband is finishing his master's degree and we are expecting our 2nd child and 3rd child. My husband works two jobs and I work in the reserves but we just aren't making that much while in school. We have a goal to be out of The Springs within two years of our move in date. Just like everyone else here we are hard working people trying to better our situation so that we can move on as quickly as possible, not moochers that plan on being here forever.Camareehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02580175325139434983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-62409736716028961702011-03-15T09:20:20.356-07:002011-03-15T09:20:20.356-07:00I looked into this community and at first I didn&#...I looked into this community and at first I didn't want to live there because I thought it was "low income housing" where the gov. pays part of your bill. But when I found out that it was a bunch of private investors I was relived that people still help each other. I am sure the tax break doesn't hurt but who doesn't go out of their way to keep the taxes you shouldn't pay in the first place. Are the luxuries a little much? Probably, I'm not sure why anybody in that situation needs granite counter tops or a two car garage, but look, it's private money and they can do whatever they want. They probably have good business skills and realized that when they wanted to stop what they are doing, resale would be much better doing it this way. I think it's sad that the mentality of our country is such that we think we "need" nice things and people shouldn't have to go through "that". It's good for people to struggle and fall because you respect what you earn much more than what is given to you. Now with that said, these are private individuals that want to help people out, they think this is the way to do it and I commend them for their actions. I think that if you didn't take advantage of what is around you, you are making a mistake. From what I hear from friends that live there, the owners make you tow the line, and tow it hard. You are in their community you will do what they want. I think that is reasonable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-77292714114884858892010-11-19T11:23:10.022-08:002010-11-19T11:23:10.022-08:00We are moving into the Springs tomorrow, and altho...We are moving into the Springs tomorrow, and although we had to income-qualify, we will still pay $642 a month plus all of our utilities. My husband and I will appear to be a couple without children, but we are currently in the early process to obtain custody of his daughter who needs a good home to grow up in.<br /><br />There ARE a lot of basement apartments available in Logan, but most of the ones we've looked at are window-less dungeons, have spiders and bugs galore, or are so old you feel like the house is going to fall on you as you sleep. This is NOT the environment I want our daughter to grow up in.<br /><br />Inexpensive housing is easy to come by here, but decent inexpensive housing is not; we were extremely fortunate to be able to move into The Springs, as it will help us financially, give us the ability to pay some of our debts like $75,000 in student loans, and help us sleep better at night knowing that our daughter is safe whenever she is with us. Her safety and our peace of mind are our top priorities, and thankfully The Springs will give us that for the time being.<br /><br />Finally, you can't just income qualify then go out and make whatever income you want/can; income qualifying is reviewed annually. Also, the homes are inspected monthly whether or not the residents are home, which lessens the privacy, but is also understandable for subsidized housing.Debbienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-7549238764276459652010-11-03T09:05:59.409-07:002010-11-03T09:05:59.409-07:00personally i think they are a great idea for when ...personally i think they are a great idea for when your young and just starting out like me im 21 years old with a 2 year old and another baby on the way that would be ideal for someone like me its cheap and a safe for my kids ya know what i think i think you need shut your trap have you ever heard of opening up your heart and helping others out and that is exactly what this place does it helps other people out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-13880534393492353082010-03-24T23:28:40.541-07:002010-03-24T23:28:40.541-07:00I also live in the springs I have two small childr...I also live in the springs I have two small children, my husband is a full time college student with a full time job, and other than being a stay at home mom, i work part time! Out of ALL of the neighbors around me, there is only one couple that does not have kids, and one grandmother.... All of my neighbors are either in school working hard, or working full time trying to get there lives on the track they want to be on! And no, they are not luxery, I Love living here, but there are so so so many issues we are constantly have to fix, repair, buy new... it was put together as the person put earlier bottom of the line! <br /><br />And no, as someone also said before, tax payers do NOT pay for us to live here! The land was donated by a local family, and then an investor payed to have them built, and yes, they get a nice tax break for it! Nothing tax payers have to wory about! <br /><br />If it was not for the springs, my husband and I would not be able to survive at this stage in our lives... that is with him continueing his education and going somewhere whith his life... Sure if he were to drop out we would be able to work more, make more, and afford higher rent, but we have major plans, and he is going somewhere, and will do something with his life!!!...<br />He hates to recieve all the help, but knows it's worth it, and when we are wealthy in our nice home we have purchaced we will pay into places like this so others can have the same opportunity we have had!!!<br /><br />And as for the springs decreasing housing value, it is funny how our comunity looks better and nicer than the ones around us... yes, they do mow the front, but we take care of the back, and all the weeding, and yes all of our utilities! <br /><br />For all those needing to contact the springs, The address is <br />1336 West 800 South<br />The number is (435)787-1774<br />goutahrentals.com<br />uaarentals.com<br /><br />There is usually a 9-12 month waiting period to get in! <br /><br />People i think that hate this, are just angry and resentful, and I don't think there is a Person alive that if given the opportunity for something like this would not jump at it! The people that live here are sweat kind careing giving and generous people, just like every one else! And we Love it here, it's not a perminant fixture, this is our "Temporary Home"!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-21159263158928171402010-03-19T20:01:29.613-07:002010-03-19T20:01:29.613-07:00it is what it is, take it or leave it.it is what it is, take it or leave it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-4155162368659277552010-02-04T17:42:24.236-08:002010-02-04T17:42:24.236-08:00These programs are great but they don't tell y...These programs are great but they don't tell you that you have to jump through a million hoops just to be able to get qualified.<br /><br />While I agree that everyone needs a helping hand once in a while, I do think that it is a little ridiculous for newlywed couples or young couples with no children to live there. What do they need 3 or 4 bedrooms for? There are a million basement apts. in Logan that would work very nicely for a couple with maybe one small child, but I wouldn't go much further than that. We have two school age children and a basment apt. would not work for us just because of size issues. A place like the Springs would work great, but they are full of college students that don't have children or may have only one child, and so we can't get in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-20915369021617552612009-11-12T07:08:20.429-08:002009-11-12T07:08:20.429-08:00My husband and I have lived in the Springs propert...My husband and I have lived in the Springs property for almost three years now. We have two children, and getting through school has been a real challenge. He goes to school and works full time at a local grocery store. We are so grateful that this opportunity came up for us.<br />When we looked into moving here, it was explained to us that the purpose of these homes was to provide a springboard for people trying to get through college and then buy a home in the increasingly difficult economy. We had to make under 25,000/ year(with 3 people at the time). We could live here after school while working to save money, but the rate we had to pay went up a little. We pay 500/month, but after my husband graduated this May, we have been able to secure a good job and we are moving next month to a beautiful home in Lehi. <br />And as for these being "luxury" I don't know about that. I'm not going to lie, it is much nicer than anything we would have afforded, but they have bottom of the line everything, no frills. The main draw is the 1300 square ft., garage, and the tiny backyard, which by the way we mow, weed, edge, water, etc., and we pay the utilities.<br />Say what you want, but I think this is a great thing for many people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-1258569412979101252009-09-15T15:58:12.168-07:002009-09-15T15:58:12.168-07:00The "luxury" is a problem because it'...The "luxury" is a problem because it's coming from taxpayer money and that is WRONG!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-16476478459972084322009-08-11T16:29:02.802-07:002009-08-11T16:29:02.802-07:00My husband and I are currently living in The Sprin...My husband and I are currently living in The Springs, we are full-time students and both hold demanding jobs. We also qualify for enough federally awarded Pell Grants to provide us with debt-free education. Without living in government subsidized housing, there is no way that we could currently make ends meet. I am grateful for this program and the help it is giving us. <br /><br />When my time comes that I no longer need the government to pay for my rent or education, I hope that I can be the kind of citizen that willingly pays my taxes so that others can have to same opportunities I had.<br /><br />And while we do have some neighbors who are elderly, it is primarily filled with families, most of which have two young children with fathers completing Masters and PhDs. These are not people content on living off the government for the rest of their lives, but are people who are trying to better themselves.{haley}https://www.blogger.com/profile/08673523474897583892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-54840833268323270962009-07-28T20:43:51.904-07:002009-07-28T20:43:51.904-07:00I live in the springs... Its NOT for the elderly l...I live in the springs... Its NOT for the elderly lol who ever said that needs to realise that the people living here ... are in their mid 20s early 30's. You can call the office at 435 787 4226.Aggiefamily https://www.blogger.com/profile/08162593507055470161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-76018709932283953552009-07-15T20:44:51.605-07:002009-07-15T20:44:51.605-07:00How do you get more information on becoming a resi...How do you get more information on becoming a resident, I would love to show this to my daughter and her family if they qualify. Sounds like a good place to start and get on your feet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-83825356749440286132009-04-13T20:50:00.000-07:002009-04-13T20:50:00.000-07:00I think it's funny that you said: "I don't know wh...I think it's funny that you said: "I don't know who funds this project or where the money comes from, but to me it seems like a a misuse of taxpayers money."<br /><br />Note the contradiction: "I don't know who funds this project...."<br /><br />and then...<br /><br />"a misuse of taxpayers money"<br /><br />If you don't know where the money comes from, how then can you say that it is tax-payers that fund it?<br /><br />Whatever the source, please do more research before saying such things. I know people who have been tremendously helped with housing such as this. I think it is a wonderful program.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-36204921078336083572009-03-25T19:50:00.000-07:002009-03-25T19:50:00.000-07:00I don't think the complaint about young newlywed s...I don't think the complaint about young newlywed students is neccessarily valid. Working full-time increases the length of time it takes to graduate and often has a negative effect on grades and two part-time incomes may not be enough to pay higher rent. I don't see anything with young newlyweds saving money by living in cheaper housing so that they can graduate sooner and with less debt. It's not like they're quitting jobs and dropping out of school because the housing has seduced them into a life of lazy indulgence. <BR/>And as for the "luxuries", why not? A lot of people in this type of housing have had difficult lives and circumstances for quite a while, why not give them something nice like a two car garage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-82621291243862330542009-01-08T19:11:00.000-08:002009-01-08T19:11:00.000-08:00The Springs have two locations. The first phase, m...The Springs have two locations. The first phase, made of individual 3-4 bedroom homes, is located at about 1250 W and 900 S. The second phase made of 3 bedroom duplexes is located at about 1700 S and 1200 W. The second phase office phone number is (435)787-4226.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion most of the families that live here have multiple children. A smaller number have one child. And an even smaller number have no children. Also I wouldn't exactly say these homes were top of the line. The contractors did things as cheap as possible. But it is great to have a yard for or son to play in.Erik the Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982919894153134688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-56997797984525742009-01-08T18:08:00.000-08:002009-01-08T18:08:00.000-08:00I was wondering if anyone knew any info on this pl...I was wondering if anyone knew any info on this place. I have tried looking all ovedr the internet for it and cant find it anywhere. My husband and I are in desperate need of somewhere to live but can't afford regular rent. If someone could get me the info that would be amazing! Thank You!The Dickeyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15397554530506919507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-47050629203703325322008-12-07T16:35:00.000-08:002008-12-07T16:35:00.000-08:00WOW, the process to get in is like getting a job f...WOW, the process to get in is like getting a job for the government and if you have ANY criminal history the answer to your application is NO SIR AND THANK YOU !!!<BR/>as it should be, you also have to provide you social security number, so that barres all these mexican "americans" that are over running cache valley.<BR/>This program is the best thing since sliced bread for those that can and need to get approved.<BR/>Thank you to the good ol' USA government for having these tax breaks so people can have decent living quarters unlike a trailerpark where the kids throw balls at cars and swear at people as they pass by,, this community is A#1 CLASSY !!!!Joshua Borgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11368613751303354197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-20487807776970165072008-10-25T11:13:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:13:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erik the Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982919894153134688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6627208078331598325.post-30534471935213543772008-10-25T08:36:00.000-07:002008-10-25T08:36:00.000-07:00The springs are a "great addition to the community...The springs are a "great addition to the community" if you like your house being devalued becaus it was built next to it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com